My question is to the Minister for Social Services. Yesterday the minister was asked whether a grandparent carer raising a 15-year-old child will be $2½ thousand a year worse off. The minister answered, 'Er, well, that depends on their capacity to access child care and re-enter the workforce.' Is the minister seriously suggesting that a grandparent carer should go back to work and put a 15-year-old child in child care?