At APEC there were no bilateral formal meetings between myself and China. I had a range of private conversations with the people at APEC, and one of the things that characterises good diplomacy and foreign policy is that, when you have a private conversation—just like when I have a private conversation with the Leader of the Opposition—it stays private. That's what happens. That's how you get outcomes. That's how you build trust. That's how you defend Australia's national interest.