David Johnston (WA, Liberal Party, Shadow Minister for Defence) Share this | Hansard source

I accept that, and in line with my original commentary about dealing with what is a very complex matter, we go to the word 'arrange' in 5A. In 5A you have sought to define the word 'arranges', a plural. The clause deals with the word 'arrange', which is singular. But let's ignore that for the moment for the sake of understanding where we are going. You have sought to set up a framework that identifies brokering arrangements. I am trying to clarify where this is going on two bases: firstly, commercial, so that if there is a fee payable or a benefit then that is a brokering; secondly, if someone is doing something but is motivated by political, religious or ideological motivations. But many people arrange things because they do things by way of assistance, by way of a charitable or benevolent motivation that is almost like a voluntary help scenario that involves no money. For instance, I am thinking of a freight forwarder who simply moves something from A to B, but it is not referable directly to a fee or a commercial return. Tell me how to get around that example.