Kim Carr (Victoria, Australian Labor Party, Shadow Minister Assisting the Leader for Science) Share this | Hansard source

You have said 'firms'. I asked specifically, 'How many firms?' You told me 25. I then went on to say, 'Do you mean consolidated groups?' You are confusing the two. It is quite clearly not 25 firms. How many firms is it, then?

The CHAIRMAN: The question is—Senator Carr?

I have asked a question. Are we not answering it at all? Is this the minister's new technique—that he just refuses to answer? How many firms are affected by this measure, and what is the nature of the modelling that you claim has now been undertaken?