Zed Seselja (ACT, Liberal Party) Share this | Hansard source

I do, Senator Bilyk. I have to respond to some of it because, firstly, most of it did not make sense, and I want to go to where it did not make sense. It is important because I think the reason part of Senator Bilyk's response did not make sense is that the Labor Party do not really have anywhere to go on this. They are pretending that they are opposing it because it is just an attack on the union movement—in Senator Bilyk's words—or that it is an attempt to bring back WorkChoices. If you look at the bill, you will see it is absolutely nothing of the sort. It is actually doing what people such as Paul Howes agree with, which is to focus on those who do the wrong thing and to make sure there are strong safeguards and strong penalties. This is so we can have confidence that the majority who do the right thing are not labelled as wrongdoers, as fraudsters—like the minority of leaders, not just in unions but also in other groups ,who do the wrong thing, who rort members' money. If we are going to have a debate about this, let's talk about the facts of this bill. Do we actually agree—and this is the question at the heart of this bill—that people who deliberately rort members' money—