Scott Ludlam (WA, Australian Greens) Share this | Hansard source

I thank the minister for that quite helpful answer. I understand that the minister has met with the rights holders—I do not know if it was the minister directly—and that at least senior members of the A-G's department and others have heard the views of CSPs, so we have the intermediaries taken care of but not the consumers, the end-users or the artists. Presumably, we have the rights holders speaking for the artists—I would contest whether they are actually doing that, in a lot of instances, but we will let that one go through to the keeper—we have the carriage-service providers who are providing the business in a service and, from time to time, some more than others, they stepped up and argued for the public interest. But they are a business. They are trying to protect their industry.

At any time, have the minister or senior members of the A-G's department or anybody you would care to name—I find the word 'consumers' loathsome but I am looking for it—met with ordinary Australians or users or their advocates, such as the organisations I mentioned before? The three that come to mind are: the Australian Digital Alliance, who made extensive submissions on this bill; CHOICE, who are one of the leading consumer-rights advocates in the country; and ACCAN, the peak body that the former government set up and that has been quite active in this space. I understand the intermediaries have certainly had their views well understood. What about the public?