Michaelia Cash (WA, Liberal Party, Minister for Women) Share this | Hansard source

Again you have hit the nail on the head, quite literally. I am a big fan of streamlining. Streamlining and simplicity normally get us where we need to go. Yet again you have rightly articulated in relation to the agreement that it is page, after page, after page, after page, which has caused serious confusion amongst people.

In relation to the terms and conditions, you are correct. The volunteer firefighters have no issue at all in relation to what the paid employees are negotiating—in particular, in relation to their pay. It is when there is overreach of the agreement and it brings in the volunteers and their ability to manage their organisation that the concerns are then raised. Certainly, in relation to streamlining, I would agree with your comments.