Linda Reynolds (WA, Liberal Party) Share this | Hansard source

A show pony. Thank you very much, Senator McKim. Instead of having it heard in camera, where this bombshell advice would have been heard, they turned it into this show trial. Labor did what they do best. They shot the Solicitor-General by mistake. And what do they do when they go onto the political ropes? They defend by attack. And the facts be dammed. Not only did they ignore the facts that we heard clearly and that are clearly there for anybody to see—through the Hansard transcripts of this hearing, and through the dissenting report—they shot the Solicitor-General and went on the attack. Facts be dammed. Then we had the chair of the committee, when presenting the committee report, come in here and quote extensively from Alice in Wonderland. As if that was not enough, she then quoted from 'Humpty Dumpty'. No amount of 'Humpty Dumpty' or recitations of Alice in Wonderland can hide the facts. Any member of the public or the media can go online and into Hansard and have a look at the facts.

The facts are these. On 13—that is, 13—occasions from June 2015 to October 2016 the Attorney-General and the secretary of the Attorney-General's Department consulted—discussed, reviewed, whatever you like to call it—with the Solicitor-General. You might call a meeting a 'discussion' but that is consultation. There is absolutely no doubt that consultation occurred. By my counting—this is all on the public record—there were 13 occasions of consultation between the parties. This fact—again, it is on the public record—was conclusively confirmed by the secretary himself of the Attorney-General's Department. He confirmed that this consultation had occurred, and it was the consultation that was legally required to be held.

What occurred during the inquiry was the comprehensive unravelling of Mr Gleeson, arising from the admissions he made of inappropriate conduct. Not only did he disclose that he had had this highly inappropriate contact with the shadow Attorney-General during caretaker provisions, on advice he had given the Attorney-General, but also he disclosed on the public record information regarding advice he had also provided to the government—not just to the government but to the Prime Minister and to the Australian Government Solicitor. He may have shadow-boxed around whether he still considered himself a barrister, but he still uses the post-nominal SC and is providing advice to this government. On any review of professional political standards for barristers, he breached those guidelines. The Solicitor-General of this country did so not once, not twice, not three times but at least four times, by my count, to this inquiry. He breached his professional obligations.

In Mr Gleeson's submission to the inquiry which, again, is on the public record, he released confidential emails with the classification of 'protected'. Even the most junior of public servants knows that you do not release protected documents in that way. From any ordinary legal practitioner, whether a barrister or a solicitor, such behaviour may well constitute professional misconduct. However, the Solicitor-General told the committee—again, on the public record—'Under the Law Officers Act, I do not practice as a barrister.' Really?

Further, the Solicitor-General was asked whether he agreed with the assertion by former Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus QC that the Solicitor-General is 'just a barrister'. So this is former Attorney-General Mark Dreyfus QC saying that the Solicitor-General is 'just a barrister'. The Solicitor-General refuted that; he said, no, that was not the case. But, despite that, he still happily uses the postnominal SC.

In the Solicitor-General's correspondence to the committee, the Solicitor-General engaged in what he called 'voluntary cooperation' with the committee. In other words, he was not compelled to give any evidence, nor was he compelled to produce any documents. But, despite this, he appears to have produced documents, answered questions—and neglected to claim legal privilege in respect of certain information—without first consulting the government, his clients.

The Solicitor-General also confirmed in his evidence to the committee that—as I have talked about—he accepted a phone call from shadow Attorney-General Mr Mark Dreyfus during the caretaker period, some time in June 2016. He could not recall exactly when it was because, apparently, as a Solicitor-General of this country and as a barrister, he does not keep notes. I find that quite extraordinary. He must be the only barrister in Australia who does not keep detailed notes, particularly of conversations he has with the shadow Attorney-General of this country.

So what did he tell the committee about why he took the call? You would have thought that any Public Servant, if they had had a call from a shadow minister, would have said, 'I'm sorry. I can't take your call. Ring the secretary of the department. Ring the Attorney-General or another minister.' Instead, he said this to the committee: 'It was my duty to tell Mr Dreyfus what I did.' And, if you want to check, it is on page 11 of the Hansard.

Then a bit later, on page 16 of the Hansard, he then agreed that it was not actually within his role or duty to consult with the shadow Attorney-General. And he said this—again, anyone can check this on page 16 of the Hansard.

The appropriate course in the caretaker period was for the secretary of the Attorney-General's Department and the Attorney-General to refer to the shadow Attorney-General that matter.

Well, that was hardly a revelation—but, again, quite contradictory to his first statement.

Following these revelations—and actually having a look at a lot of the inconsistencies in the Solicitor-General's testimony—I provided questions on notice to Mr Gleeson to address these and many others inconsistencies. I very carefully referenced every single question to the testimony he gave on that day in Hansard. And I very clearly gave him the opportunity to expand on that new information that he had provided at the hearing. Again, it is a common practice for all senators in this place to ask questions on notice when you get new information in an inquiry.

Unfortunately—and again, as I said, I think this gives great shame or should at least be cause for concern for all in this chamber—when the Solicitor-General came back and said, 'Well, I'm not really going to answer any of these questions. I sort of kind of answered some of them. There are too many questions. It's all a bit of a bother really', what did the chair of the committee say? The chair said:

The committee has resolved it will not insist upon answers, given that many of the questions—

'many', not all—

cover ground that has been discussed … and as a result of the large number of questions which were asked.

Since when—34 questions—is it up for the committee chair and the majority on the committee to tell another senator that there are too many questions or that some of them have been answered so, 'Hey, we won't get them to answer any of the questions'? It is absolutely inexcusable and outrageous to exclude the Solicitor-General and to give him a leave pass from answering any questions.

As I said, if I were the Solicitor-General and one of you had put those questions to me, I would not have wanted to answer them either, because they are really hard questions. But that is no excuse for a committee of this place to not insist on some or all of the questions being answered in at least some way. Mr Gleeson, as the former Solicitor-General, is accountable, like we all are in this place. He is a public official, he is a member of the executive government and he is paid by the Australian taxpayer.

This has set a very dangerous precedent. If followed more widely, it could result in questions being vetted by any committee, any committee chair, and it could result in those being questioned simply choosing not to answer because, 'Well, there's already a large amount of questions and I kind of don't want to answer them,' or 'They're really going to put me in a bad light, so I don't think I'm going to answer the questions today.' Again, that is completely and utterly outrageous.

The absent chair of this committee sat there and told us at great length in this very chamber that Humpty Dumpty may have sat on the wall—but I have to say that, at the hand of Labor, it was the Solicitor-General who fell off the wall. All of us in this place deserve much, much better than this. To those listening to this broadcast who have an interest in this: please go and search Hansard and have a look at the transcripts of exactly what was said; have a look at the majority report and all the fabulous stories about Humpty Dumpty and Alice in Wonderland. But also have a look at the dissenting report and at the attachments and at the facts contained in there. I challenge any Australian to make their own mind up.

There were 13 lots of contact between them. The whole idea that this directive is somehow trying to undermine the Solicitor-General is completely and utterly false. I would ask any journalist or any member of the public who is listening to go and have a look at section 12 of the Law Officers Act, which the Solicitor-General quoted a lot. It says that advice has to go through the Attorney-General. This great conspiracy of a directive was no such thing. Section 12 is a very short section of the act which provides the Solicitor-General with guidance on his role—his advisory role and his counsel role. Under the act, his advisory role is very clearly at the direction of the Attorney-General of this country. This great conspiracy was developed by those opposite to try to king hit the Attorney-General—you misfired and you knocked out the Solicitor-General. Doing that should be a cause of some great shame to you all, because there was no conspiracy. The Law Officers Act is very clear. The directive is almost word for word with the Law Officers Act. Shame on you.