Scott Ryan (President) Share this | Hansard source

On the first point, I didn't hear that phrase—I did hear the word 'abuser'—but I will check. There was a fair bit of noise as I was trying to call the chamber to order. I would counsel everyone to be careful of using phrases like 'abusing office' because I will consider that to be imputation against a member of another place. On the point of direct evidence, I believe the final phase of the question was, 'How was the phone call appropriate?' I believe that is quite open-ended, and the minister is allowed to address that in the way that he is and be directly relevant.