David Shoebridge (NSW, Australian Greens) Share this | Hansard source

My question was about Mr Nockels's evidence. Of course, Mr Nockels is apparently the senior defence expert inside the department who deals with this legislation and will be dealing with the permits. His evidence to the Senate inquiry was that, as a result of this legislation, only dozens of additional permits would be required per year. Given the higher education sector and industry are saying it's probably tens of thousands, does the government back in Mr Nockels, or is he just making it up?