Tim Ayres (NSW, Australian Labor Party, Assistant Minister for Trade) Share this | Hansard source

I think it's always very important when I'm at this table articulating a view about these questions to note that I'm not a lawyer and not even a bush lawyer, Senator Steele-John. The argument in relation to the insertion of the term is that it doesn't have a precise legal meaning beyond what I've already indicated. What I should have, of course, indicated to you in relation to co-design is that the minister, department and agency have published a statement and a commitment to co-design on the agency's website which should give participants and Australians a clear idea of what it is that the government means when it talks about co-design.