Mr President, on the point of order: what the opposition have clearly not been doing is listening to the answer that Senator Conroy has been giving. Senator Conroy has been answering the question. The answer was, if you recall, that it was on the public record. That is clearly within the definition of being relevant to the question. The minister has been answering the question. Those opposite, if they do not read all the public editions, clearly read the Australian, as the first question provided. Nevertheless, the minister is being relevant to the question and there is no point of order.